I need to preface what I’m going to talk about with two things. First, when I was young, I received a number of letters from different companies saying I was almost a winner in their sweepstakes, or even better, that I had already won something. Without fail, I dutifully filled out the forms, pasted the stickers where they were supposed to be pasted and mailed every one of them in, anxiously awaiting my prize money.
I got nothin’.
Now the second item.
Have you heard of the math problem teachers often use to help students learn about exponents? Here it is.
Which would result in more money: One million dollars or starting with one cent and having the amount from the previous day doubled each day for thirty days? (Two cents the second day, four cents the third day, etc) (via Math forum)
The answer is a cent a day doubled each day because you would end up with over 10 million dollars. (Note: If the length of time were changed to 26 days, you’d be much better off taking the million dollars, because the cent-a-day-doubled plan would give you $671,087. There’s a whole lot of growth at the end).
Now that you know about those two things, here’s what I want to talk about.
The folks at dblcash.com claim that if you give them a dollar, they’ll give you back $2 in 60 minutes. No matter what the amount, they say you’ll get a 200% increase within an hour. A question in their FAQ (#4) asks, “…My calculations show that reinvesting my profit 12 times may turn my 50 bucks into half of (sic) million. Where is my mistake?”
Their answer? “Your calculations are [correct]. From now on, you can earn as much as you want.”
Now, I don’t know about you, but my first thought was, “Great balls of fire! If I start with one dollar today, in 5 days I could be the richest man in the world!”
A second later, I thought, “Wait a minute. If they can make so much money so easily, why would they have a crappy web site asking for my money?”
But the greedy voice returned. “Maybe they’re stupid! Maybe you really can double your money. Just try it!”
Again, the voice of reason chimed in. “If you were to invest a single dollar in this scheme and do it for a 40-hour week, you would eclipse Bill Gates and become the richest person in the world on hour 4 of day 5. Does that sound realistic to you?” (last I heard Bill Gates was worth a paltry 46 billion dollars).
My greed continued, “But you’d be a trillionaire at the end of day 5! Just try it to see if it works.”
The voice of reason finally submitted the clincher (and if everyone remembered this sage piece of advice, it would put the Nigerian Scammers out of business).
“If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.”
In case you still want to try it, here’s a projection of your earnings after five 8-hour days starting with one dollar.
Day 1
hour 1 : $2
hour 2 : $4
hour 3 : $8
hour 4 : $16
hour 5 : $32
hour 6 : $64
hour 7 : $128
hour 8 : $256
Day 2
hour 1 : $512
hour 2 : $1,024
hour 3 : $2,048
hour 4 : $4,096
hour 5 : $8,192
hour 6 : $16,384
hour 7 : $32,768
hour 8 : $65,536
Day 3
hour 1 : $131,072
hour 2 : $262,144
hour 3 : $524,288
hour 4 : $1,048,576
hour 5 : $2,097,152
hour 6 : $4,194,304
hour 7 : $8,388,608
hour 8 : $16,777,216
Day 4
hour 1 : $33,554,432
hour 2 : $67,108,864
hour 3 : $134,217,728
hour 4 : $268,435,456
hour 5 : $536,870,912
hour 6 : $1,073,741,824
hour 7 : $2,147,483,648
hour 8 : $4,294,967,296
Day 5
hour 1 : $8,589,934,592
hour 2 : $17,179,869,184
hour 3 : $34,359,738,368
hour 4 : $68,719,476,736
hour 5 : $137,438,953,472
hour 6 : $274,877,906,944
hour 7 : $549,755,813,888
hour 8 : $1,099,511,627,776
This is of course a scam, but I wasn’t able to find anyone talking about being duped by them, nor could I find anything negative about e-gold.com. The main thing that turned up was a phishing scam designed to trick valid e-gold users. In other words, I know this is a scam, I just don’t know how it works. They may just take your money and run, or they may lead you along by giving you the 200% increase at first to make you believe it’s real, and then keeping larger amounts. Who knows, but if anyone is willing to try it, I’d be curious to hear how it goes.
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Hey, great article but I have been looking for info on this new program ever since I found it… then I found you. Well, the greed gave in for me and I invested $5 of e-gold. Guess what? 48 minutes later I got $10! I did it again with $50, then I got $100… etc, etc. All in all, in one days time, I made $135 but then I stopped for a while to try and figure out how this is even possible. I e-mailed dblcash and asked them various questions and I got sensible answers back as to what it is about and how it is possible. It all has to do with investing. I have been in investment programs for a while now and I have never seen anything like this, plus their website is crappy and they do not disclose any information on who they are. Not to mention that their domain on whois has no information either. So, I e-mailed e-gold to see how this type of investment could even be possible. They e-mailed me within 1 day and told me that the activity that dblcash is doing cannot be possible and that they strongly advise me not to spend money to him. If you check the dblcash site often, their e-gold account number changes because curious people like me contact e-gold and tell them about dblcash and then e-gold closes their account. They simply open a new one. Well, I e-mailed them back and forth a few times to tell them that I have indeed gotten paid within the hour each time via paypal and the money was doubled. They stated that Paypal will end up reversing the funds because they are fraudulent. I asked them to give more detail but they stated that they could not without a court subpoena. Lol. So, I’m sitting here with an extra $135 in my PayPal account, afraid to spend it because I don’t want them taking it back and then it cutting into my personal funds. And, I am also eager to invest money into dblcash again!… But that is my story. Yes, dblcash does pay… are they a scam? I don’t know but I will keep you informed.
» Comment by Chad on January 29, 2005 @ 11:26 pmChad: Thank you for sharing your experience with dblcash.com. I’m still baffled as to what the scam is, and how they can double your money every hour. Like you (and e-gold) said, it’s very fishy, but hey, if you made $135, good for you. Please keep us updated.
» Comment by dan on January 29, 2005 @ 11:39 pmHello,
I have also found the site Double… and it’s so good to be true… I have tried to invest 1.17$, and after an hour, I have really received 2.34$ into my paypal..In 1 HOUR! It’s so freaks!!!! I don’t have anymore money in my Egold, if not I will invest like 5$ and another 5$.. I won’t invest a lot, cuz they can run away..How could we know?
If you have any questions, you can contact me via messenger using my email…
Try it, just invest like 1-5$ (that’s nothing) and you will get the double in ONE hour. I’m not kidding. I’m not a part of that organisation, so don’t worry.. I’m not doing ad for them, I’m like everybody here, someone that want to invest to make money, but don’t risk that much to make money, so just try with a little money, you will get back your money…
But don’t forget, if you receive like 5$ of profit back, reinvest another amount, but don’t invest too much like 100$ or more… Cuz they can run away… I don’t know… I just invest a little money….
» Comment by Bobby Lee on January 30, 2005 @ 9:17 pmIt truly is bizarre. Has anybody else dealt with dblcash?
» Comment by Chad on January 30, 2005 @ 9:29 pmDon’t invest into this site, they are not legal and have been around for awhile. They used to be http://www.the-money-page.com and http://www.the-money-page.us. They get shut down a lot and then restart a new site. Your funds will be reversed from your paypal account and paypal might suspend or shut down your account for fraudulent activity. I was lucky enough to try their site when their e-gold account was suspended and so I didn’t lose any money. Here’s a review of their old site from someone who wasn’t as fortunate as I was. http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff80485.htm
» Comment by Caleb on January 30, 2005 @ 9:31 pmChad,
» Comment by Brad on January 30, 2005 @ 9:35 pmOn what date did you makethe first transaction?
Caleb: Thanks for that link, it’s exactly what I was hoping to find. For those that don’t want to bother reading it, the basic idea is that they send you money from stolen paypal accounts then reverse the funds after you’ve already invested more. They appear to lead you on for a day or two, which explains Chad’s experience, but then they reverse all the funds and you’re left owing money.
In short, don’t give them any money. I’ve e-mailed Chad to find out what has happened.
» Comment by dan on January 30, 2005 @ 9:55 pmWow. Thank you so much everyone. I am glad that you posted that link at ripoffreport.com. Well, the first date I used dblcash was on the 24th (last Mon.) and the last date was on the 25th. So it has been a whole week since my first return and I haven’t heard from PayPal or nor have any funds been reversed. All the money is still there. I hope my PayPal account does not get suspended because I use PayPal like a second bank account. So, what my plan of action is… to change my main e-mail addy on the account and remove that entirely. Maybe that way when he tries to get a reversal, he won’t be able to because the e-mail is not registered. I don’t know if that will work but it is the only chance I have. I really don’t want to contact PayPal because I don’t want to be, “the source to the problem” and have my account suspended. So, hopefully this will work and I will continue to keep you updated.
» Comment by Chad on January 30, 2005 @ 10:28 pmHello!
Thanks Dan! for your link, but about the reverse money, you said that you have receive money from more than one email of paypal sender, but here, in my situation, I receive the money from one Sender, and I have made my second payment, and I still receive the amount of the same sender.
» Comment by Bobby Lee on January 30, 2005 @ 10:40 pmAll of my payments were also from the same sender… however, he could have just hi-jacked an account that had a lot of money.
Unlike Bobby, I wouldn’t recommend investing into this program because it is apparently a scam. Even if the money never gets reversed, it is still a scam. The math shows the proof. And, if I knew who’s money it really was (if it was indeed stolen), I would return it all.
» Comment by Chad on January 30, 2005 @ 10:44 pmWoW! I really don’t know anything about that… I didn’t know about stolen money… I think I will stop using them now…
Hey Chad, I saw your replying the message so fast, do you have MSN Messenger? If so, add me: hktvb2001@hotmail.com
» Comment by Bobby Lee on January 30, 2005 @ 10:47 pmBobby, I do have messenger… but I’m working on a website for a client right now so I don’t have the time to have a constant talk but I will keep this site open to respond to comments.
» Comment by Chad on January 30, 2005 @ 10:50 pmOK! I don’t really understand about REVERSE money… If the money was send from the same sender and Paypal is secure transaction, how could they stole money???
I have receive a total of around 10$ from them… What happen now? What do I have to do?
» Comment by Bobby Lee on January 30, 2005 @ 10:51 pmI would just hang on to it and not spend it… possibly change your primary account e-mail address. According to PayPal, reversals can be done up to 60 days after the transaction.
» Comment by Chad on January 30, 2005 @ 11:03 pmCheck their Whois: http://www.whois.sc/dblcash.com
Why I have to changes my primary account email address?
Talk back to you tommorow… After 8 hours…
» Comment by Bobby Lee on January 30, 2005 @ 11:03 pmWow! I’m so glad I found your posts. I was so tempted by this scam, but luckily I did not try it. I guess you should always follow the rule….if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is! Thanks! Jill
» Comment by jill on January 31, 2005 @ 4:02 amWell… I think people do not INVEST in that organisation… Cuz after checking my Send Money page, I saw that two emails appears in my Sender’s list.. On the receipt, we saw the same sender’s email, but on the Sender’s list, there’s a new email and the sender’s email, that’s mean 2 differents emails… THEY ARE SCAM!!!
Sorry, I’m talking about Paypal here!
» Comment by Bobby Lee on January 31, 2005 @ 4:51 amChad stated he stated that he emailed DblCash about gotten paid within the hour each time via paypal and the money was doubled and said that DblCash stated that Paypal will end up reversing the funds because they are fraudulent. Well, I email DblCash about if the funds we are getting are fraudulent and they said that the funds we are getting are not fraudulent. So why would they tell you that the funds are fradulent and they tell me that the funds are not fraudulent?
» Comment by Nicholas on January 31, 2005 @ 9:00 amNo, I stated that e-gold said that PayPal would reverse the funds because they are fraudulent. Sorry if I confused you.
» Comment by Chad on January 31, 2005 @ 10:09 amPlease be careful about investing into DblCash because I got an email for Paypal. It says:
Dear Nicholas Bunch,
Recently, PayPal received a notification from a user regarding unauthorized access to his PayPal account. As a result, one of the payments credited to your PayPal account has been placed in a temporary hold while we investigae the claim. The details of this transaction are as follows:
Transaction Date: Jan. 28, 2005
» Comment by Nicholas on February 1, 2005 @ 12:48 pmTransaction Amount: $0.46 USD
Buyer’s Email: ————-@msn.com
Thank goodness I stumbled across this site! I almost went through with this disgusting scam. I know this sounds redundant but “IF IT SOUNDS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE IT PROBABLY IS”. I think the first time we hear those words it is from our parents mouths. These people are the scum of the earth and they get off on victimising people that are in need of money to survive. Not only that these scum are stealing from people on Paypal. Makes you wonder how they even get into peoples Paypal accounts if indeed that is what is happening. Paypal is supposedly a secure system. However saying that, hackers can get into anything they want to. Paypal doesn’t seem to be doing much if they are shutting down Paypal accounts of the people that are being victimised by dblcash. They really should be focusing on trying to find out how these scum azz losers are stealing peoples Paypal accounts and then shut them down! Unless Paypal has something to hide…hmmm, really makes you wonder.
» Comment by Josie on February 1, 2005 @ 4:29 pmWell I got suckered into this scam and spent a lot more money than the rest of you. I thought it was too good to be true, but people make millions on the internet, so I figured this was my lucky break. dblcash doubled my money everytime and took me for roughly $2,200.00 US dollars. I kept my returns in my Paypal account, which was quickly frozen. I now show a negative balance in my Paypal account, which I still don’t quite understand. I thought Paypal was scamming me (and maybe they still are), but I’ve come to the conclusion that dblcash is the big scammer. I spoke with Paypal twice about this matter and they have been absolutely no help. They told me I should get an attorney and they’re investigating the people who sent me money. They don’t understand, I was scammed too!
» Comment by Jason on February 2, 2005 @ 6:18 amJason: I’m really sorry to hear that. It’s a shame you didn’t find out about the scam beforehand, like Josie. At least you can take comfort in the fact that others will be saved from being scammed by hearing your story.
» Comment by dan on February 2, 2005 @ 9:30 amWelp, the funds were reversed. I am now out $135. I am also happy that I found this site before I took it further. I e-mailed PayPal several times and like Jason said, they were totally no help.
» Comment by Chad on February 2, 2005 @ 10:55 amI’m Jason from post #22. I wanted to let everyone know that it’s a good idea to file a complaint at http://www.ic3.gov
We need to help the authorities catch these criminals and the more complaints the better the chances.
Thanks guys. I hope we all learned a leeson.
» Comment by Jason on February 3, 2005 @ 6:59 amJason: That’s a good suggestion. I’m not sure if they’re the same thing but I’ve heard of the Internet Fraud Complaint Center in addition to the Internet Crime Complaint Center.
» Comment by dan on February 3, 2005 @ 10:57 amVery interesting posts! Does anyone know about another “system” called “private-income”. They ask you for $5 that goes to your 1st up line person the ask for another $32 that is spread to others upline. Then they ask you to go thru alot of stuff to “publish” your own site and join the levels of payouts? Anyone have info on this program?
» Comment by Ron on February 3, 2005 @ 5:23 pmPhew, thanks Chad. I was really about to try this until I learned that they reversed your money.
» Comment by Ryan on February 6, 2005 @ 2:22 pmwell, I invested $375 today and didn’t get anything back. I did receive the smaller amounts back. I was never frozen with paypa or reversed.
» Comment by dan on February 8, 2005 @ 7:34 pmDan: Never say never. They can reverse payments for 90 days.
» Comment by dan on February 8, 2005 @ 10:46 pmmaybe going to the media would be a good idea as well. the more people that know about this scam the better.
» Comment by Josie on February 9, 2005 @ 3:45 amI contacted e-gold ant they shut down accounts as fast as they can find them. Anyone know about real trade http://www.anzwers.org/trade/realinvest/
I wonder if this guy runs this too. All I can say anything that deals with you giving e-gold to someone else first can be lost. You can’t get the e-gold back. I sent some harsh e-mails to this waste of blood who runs dblcash.com
» Comment by dan on February 9, 2005 @ 6:46 pmupdate: He refunded my money this morning and doubled it. It took several e-mail and a complaint to the above link one of you recommended.
» Comment by dan on February 10, 2005 @ 8:09 amDan: You’re playing with fire here. I would suggest you stop making any more payments, because you’re not going to come out ahead with these guys.
» Comment by dan on February 10, 2005 @ 9:27 amThis is definately a scam. The idea of investing e-gold investing is not uncommon, but what they are doing is HIGHLY uncommon and impossible (coming from an e-gold investor). What happens you send them money via E-gold. Since E-gold can’t be reversed, by you sending them e-gold they are getting free money. They, in turn, send you “payment” via Paypal. However, what you don’t know is that the accounts that they send you money from are either hijacked or are created on the fly and are funded with Stolen Credit cards. When they send you the payments, they are in turn using stolen money from either hijacked paypal accounts or stole credit cards. To you, you see it as profit and continue converting funds into E-gold and sending them money. Eventually, someone is going to notice their money missing and start a charge-back (either on your account or someone elses). Paypal will then reverse ALL money paid with that account/card. Thus, if you were paid with it, your money will be frozen until they eventually reverse it.
Paypal IS NOT the best place to receive money since Paypal has the right to reverse anything for any reason (you agree to this in their policy). Thus, if anyone sends you money, they can potentially reverse it and you would end up with nothing. Since you are not physically sending them any good, you are not covered by Paypal protection. Thus, if your account does end up negative, you are responsible for it, not Paypal.
Dblcash.com has operated this ring for a long time. The last site they used (before this one) was Double-hourly.com. Same site, same webpage, same everything.
There are other (legit) ways of investing e-gold. Anyone offering to pay you 200% (100% plus principle) in one hour is doing nothing more than scamming you.
If you would like to learn ways of making money using e-gold, let me know.
» Comment by Reginald on February 10, 2005 @ 11:25 amHow do you know they are stealing from others credit cards to pay? Paypal never says why they freeze the accounts. dan. also, yes what are good ways tomake money with e-gold?
» Comment by dan on February 10, 2005 @ 7:38 pmDidn’t you read the rip-off report? The guy e-mailed one of the paypal users who had sent him money and she e-mailed him back saying that someone had used her paypal account and stolen her money.
» Comment by dan on February 10, 2005 @ 10:21 pmI got money from the same guy three times. He is unverifed. no compliants. Anyone can write a rip off report. I didn’t read that any of you heard from anyone saying that you had stolen their money???
I also e-mailed the guy who sent the money and I never received a return response.
the only one saying anything is paypal. Who would want to do business with a company that cannot protect their customers money? credit cards do, banks do, why can’t paypal? Why do they put the burden on the victim? Why not protect the person who allgedly is having their money taken from them? Or the person who receives the money without knowing? This person a dblcash hasn’t been stopped by paypal. If he is stealing why is he moving through other peoples account taking money as he wills? They freeze your account but he goes on and on? doesn’t that disturb anyone?
» Comment by dan on February 11, 2005 @ 8:30 ampaypal is the middle man. What they lose is a write off. If they fail to protect the security of their customers credit cards and bank accounts it becomes the cost of doing business as a middle man. The people entering into a trade for what they believe is a real business opportunity are being punished for ignorance. I have cut ties with dblcash.com becuase the person running it is flaky. He didn’t deliver in an hour as promised. I don’t like giving e-gold to anyone because they can keep it and e-gold won’t do anything about it (paypal and e-gold should team up and form a mafia) and I don’t like dealing with a nameless person (support team. What the hell is that?) it is suspect at the very least. I do believe paypal and e-gold are responsible for the loss, not you, not me. Don’t deal in e-gold, deal in credit cards or other protected currencies. As far as Paypal; Let them freeze away. I don’t trust them with my money. their no pal palee.
» Comment by dan on February 12, 2005 @ 11:11 amhey yall, i’m glad that this site is here, i was looking at trying this and now i will move on to something else,it does sound to good to be true and i didnt know that paypal could reverse the funds, thanks again for the info…
» Comment by donnie grantham on February 14, 2005 @ 7:29 amWow!! I want to thank everyone for posting your reviews b/c I too was about to send them idiots my money. I’m just like most of you out there who works everyday to make a living and wants to just on the first chance that sounds like a break to make some money. I didn’t go through with sending them money I’m just glad that I’m fortune enough to read this first. Sorry to those of you who weren’t. Thanks again. Anyone who knows any LEGAL and LEGITIMATE ways to make some money via e-gold, I’d greatly appreciate your help, email address dpbusiness18@yahoo.com
» Comment by Dan on February 14, 2005 @ 1:10 pmwhen my account was frozen paypal sent mixed messages. First they said that the person who sent the money was trying to do a funds reversal dispute. Then they said they are looking into the funds that were sent to me as to whether or not they were legit. Which is it? Did the person who sent the money file a dispute or were the funds no good? Very fishing on paypals part
» Comment by dan on February 17, 2005 @ 7:37 pmI had the same answers from Paypal as well. Paypal doesn’t want to admit they have a problem with others hacking their system because they might have to take the loss themselves. I actually spoke to one person who sent money to my account via dblcash.com. I checked my email one morning and this person wrote me stating they had a charge on their credit card, which paid me $100.00 (double my $50.00 w/ dblcash.com). They wanted to know why this happened and I explained what I was involved in and what might be happening (that others are hacking into Paypal accounts to pay their investors). I quickly refunded this persons money and we both feel Paypal is not a safe place to do business. I think Paypal doesn’t want to admit they have a serious problem with their system. Maybe it’s an inside job??
» Comment by Jason on February 22, 2005 @ 8:53 amHi guys,
Thanks for the information above(about investment programs). I was just going to invest in one of those programs. Just would like to say that Look at this website and tell me that .is this website is legal? Should I trust this man and invest money(about $5) because it looks legal to me. He also has given his e-mail address.Because don’t wanna lose my paypal account.
The url is http://www.johnsonhyip.com
Hope you guys will respond soon.
» Comment by Arvin on February 23, 2005 @ 2:42 pmArvin: Does it sound too good to be true? If so, it probably is.
Another way to think about it is, if someone can make all that money every day, why would they bother with your $5?
» Comment by dan on February 23, 2005 @ 4:13 pmArvin,
I’m pretty sure http://www.johnsonhyip.com is a legit company. They pay directly to your egold account, which is the safest online currency available and there is no risk of a charge-back. Check out http://www.ministryofgold.com and it lists that website in the top hyip companies. Never invest what you can’t afford to lose. I suggest http://www.prime-fund.com because they’ve been around a long time, but you still never know? They could fold at any time and run with your money. Just be cautious and if it sounds too good to be true, most likely it is. Scammer websites are usually cheaply made (set-up very quick) so stay away from those all together. Hope this helps.
» Comment by Jason on February 24, 2005 @ 7:13 amArvin: Here are two ripoff reports about HYIP scams. Be very careful.
» Comment by dan on February 24, 2005 @ 9:40 amSTAY AWAY FROM http://WWW.DBLCASH.COM THEY SCAMMED ME. YEA THEY DOUBLE YOUR MONEY IN ONE HOUR BUT GUESS WHAT, PAYPAL SEND ME AN EMAIL TWO DAYS LATER WHEN I TRIED TO WIRE THE MONEY TO MY BANK ACCOUNT AND REVERSE THETRANSACTIONS SAYING THE MONEY WAS UNAUTHORIZE. THIS SCAMMER GETS HIS MONEY BACK AND YOURS. SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR MONEY IF YOU INVEST WITH THESE CON ARTIST LOW LIVES.
» Comment by Rana on March 11, 2005 @ 11:29 pmYup, they got me too. It was one of the few programs that seemed to work within the time frame advertised, and the amount advertised. I lost over $1000 before rumblings from paypal came through. Do I now have any course of action (legal) to get my money back, or am I up a creek?
» Comment by Brian Orr on March 15, 2005 @ 9:14 amBrian: I’m not a lawyer, but I think you’re stuck unless you can find the guys who did it and report them.
Paypal just knows that you received money from stolen accounts. E-gold will probably close the accounts, but the scammers will just open new ones.
» Comment by dan on March 15, 2005 @ 2:29 pmwell i would like to chime in on dbl cash… i was almost ready to give them a higher amount to start with until i read your article. they also stated that within 48 hours they would pre pay your egold acct and then you send them the money. well i emailed them the info to do a test spend and they never got back to me.
» Comment by deidre on March 26, 2005 @ 8:58 ami was almost duped.. all i want to do is find another way to pay off my bills without adding another loan. Im okay financially, but would love to be able to invest and get a profit…
deidre
deidre: I’m glad you didn’t go through with it. I think we all want to find a way to get a little extra money, but this is not the way to do it.
» Comment by dan on March 26, 2005 @ 1:04 pmLet tell you people one thing that money is not stolen it them acting to be the victim and they just call paypal and told paypal that thre money had been stolen it how hackers make a clean getway(so that way no one thinks its them.these guys are good but not that good, think about every time they payed you they used the same paypal account and then every time the payment was stop(I think If I was getting ripped off all the the time I think I would close my paypal accout and open a new one) if was real stolen money most people wounld not know into the end of the mouth, not in 48 hours. by the way I hope not of you open any of this so called victim’s email that a good way to get worms. and I know what some of you are thinking I have Antivirus I cant get any worms, if the wrom was created by them and only used by them then no anitvirus in the world will find it. I know what I am talking I was a hacker just like these guys only I was a lot better before I went to jail for hacking. these guys have too many mistakes they are very lucky that they are not behind bars.
» Comment by Mike on March 28, 2005 @ 6:00 amI have actually figured out what they are doing and how they can continue to get away with it. For security purposes, I will not post it here, but feel free to email me and I will tell you.
» Comment by Anonymous on March 31, 2005 @ 9:08 amThey have appeared again! They are now at http://www.150percent.com . Let’s run these scammers out.
» Comment by Brian on April 11, 2005 @ 12:56 pmI recently came across the 150Percent website, please e-mail me and let me know what exactly these people are doin and how they are getting away with it.
» Comment by Kyia on April 14, 2005 @ 11:09 pmKyia: Please read all the comments above yours, because that’s exactly what they explain.
» Comment by dan on April 15, 2005 @ 8:38 amWell, http://www.150percent.com is offering to give your return upfront through PayPal, so I was wondering, even if it is a scam, if you quickly tranferred all of the PayPal to e-gold, could you actually keep the money?
» Comment by Brendan on April 17, 2005 @ 8:54 pmNo, because they’re using fraudulent funds, so you would have a negative balance in your paypal account and have to pay paypal even if you had transferred your money somewhere else.
» Comment by dan on April 17, 2005 @ 9:54 pmActually, they are not using fraudulent funds. Rather, they are running a very elaborate and very sneaky scam. The problem is that Paypal isn’t going to do anything about it because they can’t. If anyone wants to know how it’s being done, email me at lawlcom@safe-mail.net. I do not want to post how it’s done to prevent others from doing it.
» Comment by Anonymous on April 17, 2005 @ 10:53 pmIf you want 200% return, check out http://www.liagold.com/ . They paid me on time 200%. You may have to wait a bit longer (12 days) but it is better than having your money scammed from you.
» Comment by Brian on April 18, 2005 @ 11:55 amBrian: That’s most likely a scam too. A guaranteed 200% return in 12 days is unheard of.
» Comment by dan on April 18, 2005 @ 1:11 pmI did my homework on http://www.150percent.com, and well, seems the site was created a little less than two weeks ago. Here’s what I found out:
» Comment by Brendan on April 18, 2005 @ 3:49 pmDomain Name: 150PERCENT.COM
Created on: 06-Apr-05
Expires on: 06-Apr-06
One thing to note Brendan is that this scam has been operating for over a year now. This is the 4th domain name that they have used.
» Comment by Anonymous on April 18, 2005 @ 9:36 pmOne thing about HYIP’s that most people do not know is that about 99% of them are scams (or will end up scamming you in the long run). The liagold site appears to be a typical HYIP site:
Group of Forex investors, yada yada yada… Investments are the only way to go, blah blah blah…
Just from the grammer, domain whois, and the rating sites of choice, the site reminds me of the Almagold/StableInvest scam sites. Similar program and similar returns. If it is them, it will stop paying in a month or two.
» Comment by Anonymous on April 18, 2005 @ 9:48 pmThanks for the info, I’ll be a little more careful.
» Comment by Brian on April 20, 2005 @ 1:38 pmWell, I invested and got my money. But now that I realize that paypal will take the money I’m going to stop. As a security measure I’m going to change my email address and pray for the best. Thanks for the infor. Wish I would found you guys before I started.
On another note, I invested in double-bank.com and they ripped me off. They were supposed to send me payment directly to my egold account and I never received anything.
If anybody knows of some legitimate investement sites let me know.
» Comment by Erica on April 27, 2005 @ 10:36 pmdoes anyone of you know about http://www.syncinvest.com???
i set up an account but didnt send any money yet after reading all this!! can anyone check please.. they promise 2% a day but that sounds too good to be true as well!!
and the also run through e-gold.. so what do you think?
» Comment by alex on April 28, 2005 @ 2:18 pmOne thing to note is that while 99% of all HYIP’s are scam, 1% are in fact legit. With regards to Syncinvest, they are one of the longest running HYIP’s on the net (about 3 years now). I use them now and they are pretty decent. I would, however, recommend that if you do want to make money decent money with them, deposit at least $500 into their system. Then, use their compounding option to increase your principle. I started with a $1,000 deposit and let it grow for about 3 months on 100% compounding. Then, I removed the compounding and now I make a decent amount per day off the interest.
» Comment by Anonymous on April 28, 2005 @ 9:47 pmactually, they’ve only been running for 152 days, i dont know what you’re talking about man.. if you are going to post your opinion, at least post something that is true…
» Comment by alex on April 29, 2005 @ 1:02 pmActually, we are both wrong on the times. Be sure, Alex, before you post that you too make sure that you are correct. Syncinvest has been online since December 3, 2003. Thus, about a year and 4 months.
» Comment by Anonymous on April 29, 2005 @ 3:33 pmEr.. actually December 16, 2003. Wrong keys.
» Comment by Anonymous on April 29, 2005 @ 3:34 pmlike i said… only about 150 days!!!! DONT LOOK At the date the site tells you! look at the time the site started to run lol!! if you do a simple research, you will find out that syncinvest bought the domain name in decembre 2003 but only activated the site about a year later!! just to make you think that they have been here for long!! but really its only been 150 days.. just a reminder that it is a scam that is going to collapse soon enough…
» Comment by alex on May 1, 2005 @ 2:16 pmThe time that you are referring too is the time in which they started using Monitoring, not the time that started out. A lot of sites that get into the HYIP thing do not actually use monitoring agents until afterwards. One thing you have to understand Alex is that I have been involved in the HYIP arena for about 5 years now. I’m not in any way new to this stuff. This isn’t just things that I make up here. But, nonetheless, there is no need to argue about Syncinvest as they are not the topic of this post. Rather, 150Percent/Double-hourly is.
» Comment by Anonymous on May 2, 2005 @ 8:35 pmJust a note, if you go to their rating page (http://www.syncinvest.com/rate.php) and look at some of the rating services they use, they tell you how long the service has been running with respect to how long the site has been monitored.
» Comment by Anonymous on May 2, 2005 @ 8:38 pmTo Brian
» Comment by qahhaar on May 6, 2005 @ 11:13 pmI noticed you recommended http://www.liagold.com I spent a $300.00 on the 18 day period invest april 10, 2005 never recieved a dime plus their sit can’t be found.
I would like to know your experience?
I invested in lia-gold when they first started out. I did receive 200% as promised, and decided to consider that a profit and move on. I realize now that it is most likely a ponzi, and apologize for the recommendation.
» Comment by Brian on May 10, 2005 @ 9:44 amDear Mr Anonymous
I cant help but think that you are a fake and that you are runing this scams or know the people who are runing this scams becuase I cant see why it is that you want to be anonymous if you are on our side and trying to let people know about this scams then why is it that you call your self anonymous because if I can tell you who I am even if it is Illagel for me to even thouch a PC then I think that anyone can tell us who they are(after I got out of jail for hacking, I can not thouch a PC for three year if I do and someone finds out I go back to jail)so if I can tell people who I am then so can anyone who post anything on this web site
PS to my last comment If I where you guys I would not lisen to anymore the MR Anonymous has to say it is clean to me that he is somehow working with these scams
Dear Brendan,
» Comment by Mike on May 10, 2005 @ 9:57 amNice work on finding out when 150% was started
can you please e-mail mr_rat60@hotmail.com
I would say to Post it but I dont want Mr Anonymous to find out what you know about his scam
Mike: Kindly make one comment please. There’s no need to make three separate comments in a row.
» Comment by dan on May 10, 2005 @ 11:56 amWith regards to your comment Mike, actually, I’m NOT anonymous. I just go by the name, Anonymous. IE, I don’t use the name to remain anonymous, rather I just use the name.
Further, I have no dealings with any of the scams you talk about. If I were working with the scams, I would definately not post here saying that you SHOULDN’T use them. Doesn’t make any since. Further, if you read up a bit, you will see that I list my email address where you can contact me directly and I can explain to you how most of the scams out there work. The reason I know the stuff is because I was a victim of most of them. I was screwed over by double-hourly before it was called Double-hourly.
As for why I use the term Anonymous versus my name, I actually posted here under my own name. In fact, if you read up a bit, you’ll see posts from a person name “Reginald.” However, I felt that Anonymous was cooler. If you don’t believe me, you can always ask Dan as he has emailed me and has my name (as it is listed when I reply).
» Comment by Anonymous on May 15, 2005 @ 9:51 pmare you for reall
» Comment by amy watson on May 29, 2005 @ 2:40 pmAmy — can you spel?
» Comment by DavidH on May 30, 2005 @ 11:32 amWell, apparently they are at it again at http://www.30min.net. Don’t fall for it people!
» Comment by Sherri on June 3, 2005 @ 10:54 amOk, well I’ll admit I was too lazy to read all these posts. But, I am a pretty experienced with computers, paypal and fraud in general. My two cents is worth something here. I was brought to this site because I too wanted to see if many people invested in this. I was shocked that more than 1 person did. Anyhow, I wanted to know how it worked, so I investigated. Well basically, what thesee nigerians do is they phish paypal accounts. OK, so why don’t they just steal the money from the paypal accounts? Well, paypal will do a chargeback to them before they can withdraw the funds. So, instead they steal paypal accounts, then pay you your 150% (notice they can pay upfront without risking anything) and so when you send them the e-gold, before paypal and e-gold can even talk about the issue, they have withdrawn your investment. Meanwhile, their paypal payment is deducted as fraud from the investor’s account and given back to the person who’s account got stolen. So in the end, the investor is basically just the tool that allows the nigerians to withdraw some of the stolen money that they get from phishing paypal accounts. It is a fairly clever scheme, and even more clever because they appear to pay you, and you can continue to invest money…
well anyhow, I hope this helps you guys understand how these filthy people work. Have a nice day.
Regards,
Matt Clark
P.S. Oh yeah, and looking up above. Another fellow made the point that they do have awful grammar. They are better than most however, but still before investing in something so suspicious, I would at least make sure that they know english. I’m not here to give you logic on this though, a 5 year-old could give y’all 100 reasons why you should not give these people money. I hope I was able to explain to you how it worked, because that is what intrigued me the most here, and by the way it is a clever scam. It is a shame that these Africans don’t INVEST this knowledge into something productive.
» Comment by Matt Clark on June 4, 2005 @ 8:10 amHey Matt, thanks for the info, although that isn’t how their scheme is working (although it is sort of close). There isn’t any phishing going on. Rather, they are actually in control of the accounts that send the money. Send me an email to lawlcom@safe-mail.net and I’ll explain their entire scheme (researched it over a year).
» Comment by Reg on June 4, 2005 @ 2:33 pmFirst of all, thanks to all those that posted giving the rest of us the knowledge necessary to avoid sinking our hard earned money into such worthless schemes.
Next, it is clear by the # of posts here how many of us want essentially the same thing. That is… a way to make money both quickly & legitimately!!! Why do we depend on others to come up with the ideas, er scams, feed into them and then spend hours talking about them? Why couldn’t we collectively come up with something? I believe there is a great amount of intelligence amongst us. I also believe that most of us live our lives ethically and morally. I see no reason why we can’t collectively figure this “get rich thing” out but do it with integrity. We just need to get outside the box. We have to be willing to get organized somehow as well. As an example, could we all invest a small amount of money creating a large sum and invest it somehow??? Just a thought. Anyone have any ideas or thoughts?
» Comment by Bob on June 4, 2005 @ 9:29 pmBob: I’m certainly open to ideas.
» Comment by dan on June 4, 2005 @ 11:23 pmJust read the posts, and was wondering if anyone has seen this website:
» Comment by Ray Ray on June 6, 2005 @ 12:53 amhttp://www.30min.net, and could tell me if they are a scam.
Seems like they’ve been around for awhile, but don’t know.
Check it out
Ray Ray,
This entire post is about those guys. Stay away!!!
» Comment by Bob on June 6, 2005 @ 5:27 amI was a victim of 150percent.com (significant amount lost). So in an effort to recover my losses, I search the net vigorously everyday in hopes of finding something worthwhile. And I just recently came across this site. They are claiming to double my money so it fits with this thread.
http://www.asotinc.com/
Let everyone know what you think.
PS. Apparently they used to be (maybe still are?) http://www.global-marketinginc.com. Something else a little fishy is if you look closely, the site is using Angelfire to host the site (the domain name is just a redirect). If anyone has had previous success/failure with this program, speak up. Thank you.
» Comment by ben on June 6, 2005 @ 10:38 amin response to mr “BoB” : Canned Tuna
» Comment by napoleon dynamite on June 6, 2005 @ 6:52 pmhttp://www.30min.net — we’ve done a whois at godaddy.com — they mask identity through a proxy. I have a feeling they might actually hold legitimate claims to give you 150% return; however, the means of attaining these funds may infact be illegitimate. anyone know anything REAL about these people? I emailed their proxy provider for information about the actual person in ownership of the site and to investigate his/her background.
» Comment by Anonymous on June 6, 2005 @ 9:26 pmI’ve researched them for the last year. They are definitely A SCAM. If you want some real info about them, just email me at lawlcom@safe-mail.net and I’ll forward you the info.
» Comment by Reg on June 7, 2005 @ 8:07 pmI was writing in regards to 30min.net, we started to do egold with them, and so far I have no complaints, but now I’m scared? I have done several transactions with them. could you also email me that information you were talking about?
» Comment by Tonya on June 8, 2005 @ 3:17 pmTonya, I also just tried the 30min.net thing (unfortunetly I did not find this web site first). I have found out what is going on though. My first transaction completed last night and everything was fine till I got an email today from PayPal telling me that the funds were on hold because the sender of the money said they did not autorize it. At first I thought oh oh, they are hacking into innocent peoples PayPal accounts and sending me money out of them to pay me back. Actually, the accounts that they send you the money from are their own. After they pay you, they claim it was “stolen” and get all the money back. Well so far that seems to be what is going on, but who knows. Also, have you noticed that they changed their e-gold account number today? e-gold shut them down again and then like a damn turkey timer they just POPPED right back up. Let me know if you get contacted by PayPal, my email is drivingreens@hotmail.com and let me know what they say.
» Comment by Eric on June 8, 2005 @ 6:41 pmHi reg, I just send you a e-mail,I also opened a account today, and now I am concerned, I even didnt start to invest, and I came across this website. really very thankful to all of you for sharing your experiences.
» Comment by sudra on June 10, 2005 @ 12:10 amI informed e-gold about http://www.30min.net and they cut the account off
and I have been sending them the number everytime they change it.
E-Gold now says they are monoriting the site and shutting down the accounts as they change them, we will see how long that lasts, I have also informed PayPal security and they were thankful I brought it to their attention, apparently they just reverse the transaction instead of trying to find the scam artist. I informed the FBI also, apparently they get thousands of cases a month, that is slang for we aren’t going to do anything about it either.
Don’t Do IT Sundra, they are stealing e-gold money and they are hacking into paypal accounts, they are not using their money, the 3 reversals I got were from a soccer mom in Ohio. PayPal does not protect you, they will take that money from you.
http://WWW.30min.NET IS A HUGE SCAM DO NOT FALL FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU DID FALL FOR GO TO YOUR BANK AND HAVE THEM CLOSE YOUR ACCOUNT RIGHT AWAY TO KEEP PAYPAL AND POSSIBLY THE SCAMMERS OUT OF IT.
» Comment by steve on June 10, 2005 @ 2:40 amI still have not been scammed by them and I have done tons of transactions with them?
» Comment by Tonya on June 10, 2005 @ 6:46 amOf course I don’t plan on doing anymore business with them, because my husband stll have not received his money!
» Comment by Tonya on June 10, 2005 @ 6:47 amI did too many transaction with them and they were all reversed later. I now loathe Paypal and boycott their services because of the nonexistant protection against situations like this. Over $2000 was reversed on me before I could withdraw it to my bank. I did manage to get out $400 before it was reversed so now my paypal is negative $400 hehe. And paypal is “demanding” I pay that back?? Where’s my $2000 biotches?!? Sorry for the rant, and off topicness, but Paypal sucks. (maybe they’re in on it too) DO NOT use them for anything cuz it can be reversed instantly. The only thing I might consider maybe using them for is if I sell/buy something tangible. But that’s a big MAYBE.
» Comment by ben on June 10, 2005 @ 9:32 amFor a minute there I thought I was RICH!
» Comment by Johnnny on June 10, 2005 @ 9:41 pmHi, I want to thank everybody at this website for their ongoing support and knowledge of what is going on and having it put on here.
I came across this site by a link found on http://www.scam.com on a thread started by someone, on these same kind of people.Whats funny was that before all that I was on the “scam” website and being advertised on the right top hand corner of their site was ads by gooogle “Make $500,000 in 24 hours” (its not there now)once you click on it, it takes you to the 30min.com website. Ok after going through the site I was sold, for a minute there I thought I was rich. And went throught there steps and all that, opened an e-gold account. After that I purchased $100 of e-gold at some other site they have a link of on at 30min.net. Well to make the long story short after that I had to wait of course for the money to be deposited on my e-gold account and that could have taken 3 days. So in the mean time I was looking up this thing, and trying to find some dirt on it, like a muckraker of the 21st century. I went through http://www.scam.com and this site. After I finished reading this site all 90 posts of it, I immediately canceled my order of e-gold. I’m a happy camper now, because I gained some important information instead of losing some money. Now looking at everything is kind of logic to understand this was a scam all along. There’s a larger lesson to be learned here: any “entrepreneur” who could “invest your money” in such a manner would *NOT* need small fries like you and me to be tossing him/her/them $1 and $5 at a time. Anyone who could produce that kind of return (pretending for a moment that it was even possible in a legal and repeatable manner) would have been *flooded* with institutional money to invest.
It seems like these people are not going anywhere, because they keep re-appearing.
Anyways, thanks to all of you! Lets keep others from making the mistake.
I talked to the company that
is masking his identity and
they agreed to show his name
in the WHOIS database, I don’t
know if this is his real name or not.
Registrant:
Michael Rogers
Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: 30MIN.NET
Domain servers in listed order:
YNS1.YAHOO.COM
YNS2.YAHOO.COM
For complete domain details go to:
» Comment by steve on June 11, 2005 @ 2:18 amhttp://whois.godaddy.com
I got his address and phone number also he is
» Comment by steve on June 11, 2005 @ 5:07 amin california, I contacted the police by email
if they don’t get back to me soon I will call
them. I am 3,000 miles away on the east coast.
This pertains to http://www.30min.net
I have his apartment building on satillite
so his address is a real one. Wish I didn’t
live so far away or this guy would have a problem
on his hands big time.
pertains to http://www.30min.net
» Comment by steve on June 11, 2005 @ 5:52 amhow’d you get all that? let me at him! b–tard owes me $2000+…unfortunately, I am also too far away…maybe someone who lives close can let us know with a post and then go kick his a– for me. thanks in advance…
» Comment by ben on June 12, 2005 @ 1:16 amI would announce the address but I
have to make sure he didn’t also
steal someones identity. You don’t
want to kick the wrong persons a–.
To have your identity stolen and your
a– kicked wouldn’t be fun.
What is telling me that it is the real
person is I found an email address of his
that is not something that was made up
by someone else, this is because of the
length of it and the way it was written.
It also has a suffix on it which would
make him actually Michael Rogers Jr.
Hopefully I can get him arrested soon.
Another thing, PayPal and E-Gold security
departments must take the weekends off and
so does the FBI, I have been trying to get
an agent from the local office to call me
back and I just keep waiting so I might
have to wait until Monday. If I bug and annoy
them long enough they will eventually do
something.
As soon as I am sure and he is arrested I will
» Comment by steve on June 12, 2005 @ 4:51 amdefinitly post all of his information.
If someone were willing to go over there
and then call the police then that would
work. You would have to really create havoc
though. They will probably tell you that they will
tell a detective. Then he will probably run.
Hopefully Monday I can get something done.
I am not out any money because I closed my
bank account before PayPal got to it, but now
I can’t use PayPal and I would have to pay
them $90 before I could.
I guess this guy has been doing this for a while and
» Comment by steve on June 12, 2005 @ 5:11 amPayPal let’s him do it. Instead of an big organization
like PayPal going after this guy they need one guy like
me to do it for them. That is pitiful.
Speaking of paypal, anyone know the ultimate consequences of having a negative balance? At first paypal just says to please make it positive again, blah, blah….but now it has been neg for 45 days now and their emails are getting more demanding..here is quote from the letter:
“As of the date of this letter, the amount due and owing of this
account may include accruing charges, attorneys’ fees, and other charges as provided by the PayPal User Agreement (the “Agreement”). Finance charges continue to accrue on this account to the extent permitted by the Agreement, federal and/or state laws.
Please send full payment to PayPal within one week of this letter by adding funds to your PayPal account according to the instructions below. If we do not receive payment, we will be entitled to file a lawsuit against you for collection of the debt. It is also possible that we will refer the matter to an independent collection agency so that they may pursue the debt on our behalf.”
Can they do this? I am the victim here and they are going after me like I’m some sort of thief. Anyone here know any lawyers that could help me out or confirm paypal actions? Thanks in advance again…
» Comment by ben on June 12, 2005 @ 10:07 amThey gave me 120 days to pay or they
will close the account. Mine is only
negative $90, If yours is 2,000 they
might try to sue you. They might have
a bill collector start calling you.
Depending on where you live they might
choose to sue you, but if they can’t
get attornies fees then they probably
won’t and will just have a bill collector
hound you for years. That is just my thoughts.
You actually made an agreement with them when
you signed up, I guess the agreement says you are
unprotected in a situation like this, I didn’t know
I made an agreement with them either until this happened.
I contacted Yahoo this morning, I found out this scammer
had his site hosted with GeoCities, they didn’t email me
back but it seems they shut the site down.
I will get back with an update soon.
» Comment by steve on June 12, 2005 @ 4:20 pmThank GOD I read all these posts. I was showing my husband the 30min.net site and asking what he thought. He seemed interested but I noted the website name was nowhere to be found. And the fact you could only email them seemed fishy as well. I have invested nothing, as I chose to investigate it further. It’s a shame that people can take money and run while paypal sits back and says “Oh well…” Thanks again to everyone for posting their experiences and saving the rest of us from these losers!
» Comment by Donna on June 12, 2005 @ 9:12 pmI confirmed it http://www.30min.net
has been suspended for abuse.
I hope I get some email replies back
that he has been caught.
I will post back with an update.
» Comment by steve on June 13, 2005 @ 6:52 amAs far as Paypal is concerned, if you do not pay your negative balance within 180 days, they will send the balance to NCO Financial, their in house bill collector. Once it gets to them, all you have to do is tell them (when they call) that you wish to dispute EVERYTHING and they, by law, have to send it back to Paypal and Paypal, by law, has to prove that you are truly in debt. I would higher a lawyer to defend you with this as well. Further, if they attempt to put it on your credit report, you have the legal right to dispute it and, since you are the victim, would most likely have it removed.
As far as trying to go after the person who lives in California, unfortunately, it isn’t him who is running the scam. Each time they register a new domain, the search the residential white pages for a new name and use it to register the domain. Since registration details on domain names are not verified, anyone can do that.
Most of the scammers in the ring are located on the east coast. I know this because all of their transaction times are in EST/EDT. Scammers outside of the country never use American-based time. Rather, they use GMT.
» Comment by Reg on June 13, 2005 @ 7:01 amOne way or another that will be
» Comment by steve on June 13, 2005 @ 7:12 amconfirmed.
I just checked the original
» Comment by steve on June 13, 2005 @ 7:35 amtransactions and they were
Pacific Daylight Time : PDT
The transactions are going to be in PDT because that’s where Paypal is located. In one email conversation I had with them, they wrote that they send all of their prepayments at around 5:00pm EST. I still have that email from them. When I traced the email message, it went back to an open proxy located on the west coast. However, I was able to obtain a cacheflow log off of the proxy server (the server was just a simple open proxy with NO security), I traced it back to the east coast. However, the ISP being used was a prepaid dialup number so there was no way to get a physical location.
Just noticed today that 30min.net is down so let’s all keep our eyes open for the next one.
» Comment by Reg on June 13, 2005 @ 9:49 amThey are down because I
» Comment by steve on June 13, 2005 @ 10:02 amcomplained to Yahoo Abuse.
As soon as I did that it
took some hours and then they
took it down.
Now I have got information
» Comment by steve on June 13, 2005 @ 12:09 pmthat they were operating out
of Eastern Europe, probably
using a stolen credit card.
Not sure but if it is true
it stinks.
It’s actually a ring of them. Some are located in the US, some are located over seas. Honestly, I *wish* they were using stolen credit cards. If they were, they would have been caught by now. I won’t go into detail as to what they are actually doing here, but if you are interested steve, email me at lawlcom@safe-mail.net and I’ll give you all the details.
» Comment by Reg on June 13, 2005 @ 3:51 pmI’m glad I read all of this before investing. I was trying to find 30min.net earlier today because I was all ready to start investing. Fortunately, the e-gold I bought hasn’t transfered into my account so I wasn’t able to do much yet.
» Comment by Kim on June 13, 2005 @ 4:45 pmAny ideas what I can now do with a small amount of e-gold? Are there any legit sites to invest a small amount in or do they all require a larger sum?
i was also thinking of investing in 30min.net didnt send any money though! i just told him i wanted to invest 20.00 after not getting any sort of reply i started doing research and found this site!! THANKS A LOT EVERYONE!!! i was almost on the verge of another payment to paypal if i woul have completed it. on my buget thats one thing i dont need is to owe something else! i think ill look into http://www.syncinvest.com it looks legit enough! i got all this e-gol and nothing to do with it! THANKS EVERYONE
» Comment by brian on June 13, 2005 @ 9:25 pmKim, I have a few places that I am investing in right now. It’s no where near the return that 30min.net offered, but it is considered way higher than any financial institution and therefore, carries a higher risk. If you or anyone is interested I can give you the links. Just email me at kumkwatz@hotmail.com and I’ll send you the links. You can view the sites and then decide for yourself if you want to invest or not. So far, they have been paying for over a month. Syncinvest is one of them, but lately they’ve been “under attack” (so they claim) and haven’t been able to pay. They have come back before and I hope they come back again this time.
If there are any serious (big bucks) investors, I also have a contact that can set you up with a proven autotrader. Required minimum is $5000. Recommended minimum $10,000.
Good luck everyone!
» Comment by ben on June 13, 2005 @ 10:05 pmI went tp http://www.syncinvest.com
Just an email form to send email
no email address or phone number.
That isn’t a good sign.
Apparently they are located in
Dominica, West Indies in the
Carribean.
A recent CIA fact for Dominica:
transshipment point for narcotics bound for the US and Europe; minor cannabis producer; anti-money-laundering enforcement is weak, making the country particularly vulnerable to money laundering
Syncinvest is actually:
First Worldwide Trading PLC
in Dominica.
Andrew Artz and Michael Nolan
are the registrants and contacts.
Their IP location is out of Hong Kong.
Looks like there webhost is out of: Russia
I went to their forum and it looks like the
people there haven’t, heard nor recieved any
anything from them along time.
I won’t be using their services.
» Comment by steve on June 14, 2005 @ 12:36 pmHavent seen this site in a while. I’ve been searching for their newest gig, but have not found it. Can anyone please tell me their new site? Also, can you guys tell me what they classify their paypal purchases as…ie good, services or whatever, and if they include any additional comments towards the payments…thanks.
» Comment by Matt Clark on June 14, 2005 @ 2:33 pmRegards,
Matt Clark
Do you mean goods? And also, when they send the money, they sent me 4.50 and I dont remember what they classified it as or if they made comments..maybe someone else does, sorry. As to new sites i think 150percent.com is under construction???
» Comment by Joe on June 14, 2005 @ 5:33 pmThis site is awesome. I came accross http://www.30min.net/
» Comment by Joe on June 14, 2005 @ 11:57 pmand thought it was a dream come true. But after reading all the other post I’am so thankful I found this site. You guys saved me from a lot of
heart break.
I tried that 30min.net with small amounts. First $20 and then $40. I used my paypal account and then my husband’s. I received a return both times, and then I just bought $50 more e-gold, only to find out now that their website is not working. Now I have all this e-gold and nothing to do with it. I just want to be able to make a little extra money to pay some bills. Is there anything out there that’s legitimate? I am glad that I saw this site and saw all the scams that are out there.
» Comment by patti on June 15, 2005 @ 5:58 amYeah, paypal and e-gold will not do anything about it, they will just refund the money and say “oh well, better call the FBI”.
Heres what e-gold had to say:
We have investigated and placed a value limit on all accounts associated
with 30min.net, which will prevent them from receiving any more e-gold.
Unfortunately we will not be able to refund your money because all e-gold
spends are final and not reversible as stated in the e-gold account user
agreement. e-gold is also contractually prohibited from freezing accounts
in the absence of a court order or subpoena. You might want to consider
obtaining some combination of help from a legal professional or law
enforcement to obtain a court order or subpoena, if the size of your loss
warrants expenditure of your resources (time and money) to resolve.
Thank You,
Due Diligence Unit
And here’s what paypal had to say:
Thank you for contacting PayPal. We apologize for the delay in responding
to your service request.
In accordance with PayPal’s Seller Protection Policy, the following
transaction(s) involving unauthorized funds have been reversed:
Transaction Date: Jun. 11, 2005 02:45:22 PDT
Transaction Amount: $0.27 USD
Buyer’s Email: mapesaudiology@yahoo.com
Transaction Date: Jun. 11, 2005 20:01:22 PDT
Transaction Amount: $148.50 USD
Buyer’s Email: mapesaudiology@yahoo.com
Transaction Date: Jun. 12, 2005 08:28:40 PDT
Transaction Amount: $150.00 USD
Buyer’s Email: mapesaudiology@yahoo.com
Transaction Date: Jun. 12, 2005 09:34:39 PDT
Transaction Amount: $75.00 USD
Buyer’s Email: mapesaudiology@yahoo.com
Transaction Date: Jun. 12, 2005 10:19:40 PDT
Transaction Amount: $375.00 USD
Buyer’s Email: mapesaudiology@yahoo.com
Transaction Date: Jun. 12, 2005 13:10:48 PDT
Transaction Amount: $65.00 USD
Buyer’s Email: mapesaudiology@yahoo.com
The transaction(s) did not qualify for Seller Protection because:
· Because comparable proof-of-shipment is not currently available for
electronically-delivered items, we are currently unable to offer Seller
Protection for digital goods and other electronically-delivered item
· The payment was not listed as “Seller Protection Policy Eligible” on
the Transaction Details page
Please note that this withholding is in accordance with our User Agreement.
Even though your transaction was not covered under our Seller Protection
Policy, this does not stop you from seeking recovery for your lost funds.
You can file a report with your local Police Department and follow this
with a complaint to the Internet Fraud Complaint Center (IFCC). The IFCC is
partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National
White Collar Crime Center. The IFCC will review and evaluate complaints so
that information can be referred to the appropriate local, state, or
federal agency. Every complaint that is referred by the IFCC is sent to one
or more law enforcement or regulatory agencies that have jurisdiction over
the report. You can file a complaint with the IFCC at:
http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp
In the future, you can protect yourself against fraudulent transactions by
following the conditions of our Seller Protection Policy. For more
information on our Seller Protection Policy in our User Agreement click
https://www.paypal.com/sellerprotection or copy and paste entire link into
address bar.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us again.
Sincerely,
» Comment by Joe on June 15, 2005 @ 7:03 amDaniel
PayPal Account Review Department
PayPal, an eBay Company
when the scammers sent you
Transaction Date: Jun. 11, 2005 20:01:22 PDT
Transaction Amount: $148.50 USD
Buyer’s Email: mapesaudiology@yahoo.com
Transaction Date: Jun. 12, 2005 08:28:40 PDT
Transaction Amount: $150.00 USD
Buyer’s Email: mapesaudiology@yahoo.com
Transaction Date: Jun. 12, 2005 09:34:39 PDT
Transaction Amount: $75.00 USD
Buyer’s Email: mapesaudiology@yahoo.com
Transaction Date: Jun. 12, 2005 10:19:40 PDT
Transaction Amount: $375.00 USD
Buyer’s Email: mapesaudiology@yahoo.com
Transaction Date: Jun. 12, 2005 13:10:48 PDT
Transaction Amount: $65.00 USD
Those things, what did they classify the money as. When you send money you must describe it. Did they leave the desciptional comments blank? Cuz those are optional…?
» Comment by Matt on June 15, 2005 @ 8:00 amIt didnt classify the money and it doesnt say what it was for so i assume they left it blank?
You know whats funny? Google AdSense was advertising their website, thats how i found it.
» Comment by Joe on June 15, 2005 @ 8:38 amEverybody Has to realize that
30min.net was a scam operation
And they have been banned for abuse.
ABUSE is a another word for “stealing your money”
They are done for now and I will certainly be on their
trail.
Honestly the 150percent.com site has been shut down
because of these scam artists and 30min.net site
has been shut down because of these scam artists and
yet there is an IDIOT that is still willing to send
the scam artists his money, what a stupid idiot!
DO NOT SEND ANY OF THESE PEOPLE THAT PROMISE TO GET
» Comment by steve on June 15, 2005 @ 10:19 amYOU 150% OF YOUR MONEY BACK, THEY ARE STEALING FROM YOU!!!!
YOU WILL NOW HAVE TO PAY THE MONEY THAT YOU RECIEVED BACK
AND YOU WILL HAVE LOST THE MONEY YOU SENT THE SCAMMERS!!!!!!
Do Not Be Stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My brother wrote that last post
» Comment by steve on June 17, 2005 @ 2:39 pmhe was on my computer when I was
out. He got scammed too. So you could
see the frustration.
Ok another scam in the works
http://multiplepaychecks.com/
This guy at first seems to be one guy
and then it turns out to be two guys
stealing your money.
What they do is sell you a $19.95
Book as they call it, it is not a book
or an ebook it is web pages and that is it.
This scumbag tells you nothing, and then wants
you to pay $197.00 for his course.
But he then tells you that the $197.00 course is
just about useless and you should buy the $360.00
course.
Do Not Fall For This Scammer Either.
I am tired and I have to sleep or I would continue.
» Comment by steve on June 17, 2005 @ 2:57 pmIs paypal gonna send lawyers and creditors after me for having a negative $400 balance? It was a result of this 150percent.com scam.
» Comment by ben on June 18, 2005 @ 12:37 amIf you have a negative balance in Paypal and do not pay it within 180 days, they forward to their in-house collection agency. You can then dispute it and force them to verify that you in fact owe them money.
» Comment by Reg on June 18, 2005 @ 11:27 pmI was wondering if you guys could take a look at these HYIP sites and tell me if they are for real. I’ve got some money invested with them right now, not much though. I too was inticed by the 30min.net site. I had sent them an email, but never heard back from them. Lukily when I went back to the site it was unavailable. Anyway, here are the sites I would like you all to look at and let me know if they really are a scam:
http://www.makeyourinvestment.com/index.html
http://gold-bank.org/
http://fantasticalprofits.com/
http://www.hyiptreasures.com/
http://www.globepaynetwork.com/index.php
Like I said, I don’t have much invested, and what is invested, I can afford to loose. Any info on these sites would be greatly appreciated.
» Comment by Scott on June 21, 2005 @ 12:13 pmTo help you with those hyip sites, you can check with some of the following hyip review sites. Check the comments for each program in each site to see how often they’ve been paying, if they only pay small amounts, etc. I am investing in some also, email me if you wanna know which programs I am in. (email address posted in previous post)
http://www.hyipinvestment.com
http://www.hyipmonitor.com
http://www.worldhyip.com
http://www.hothyips.com
http://www.hyip-navigator.com
Good luck!
» Comment by ben on June 21, 2005 @ 6:58 pmIve never seen any of those HYIP sites, so i cant tell you if they are good or not. I wouldnt invest in anything, unless they can show you proof of payment like studiotraffic. They show their checks and other payments from studiotraffic on the site.
http://www.studiotraffic.com/index.php
» Comment by Bill on June 21, 2005 @ 7:11 pmI got this from another forum and it says it all, also anyone can show proof of payment these days without paying anyone. The scammers know that.
There are certain indications that are usually typical for scams. In
the case of StudioTraffic.com, I have found a number of these
indications.
I. The lack of proper contact information
Reputable companies do not conceal their real address, phone and fax
numbers. Scam companies do this, and so does also StudioTraffic. Their
address is not listed anywhere on their website. I have checked for
the owner of their domain name, and the result is most suspicious. The
domain has been registered for StudioTraffic by a company named “Whois
Privacy Protection Service, Inc”. This is one of the anonymizer
services spammers and scammers use to avoid being traced by their
victims. A reputable company just does not have any reason to hide
their face.
II. Questionable ways of advertising
I have searched the Usenet archives and found out that in numerous
cases, StudioTraffic has been advertised by persons who are
suspiciously enthusiastic about the service - and who have been
spamming various Newsgroups with similar advertisements for other
“make money fast”, “make money by surfing the Web”, “get paid for
surveys” services. I have no doubt that they are professional spammers
who regularly advertise obscure scam companies, using anonymous and
easily replacable Yahoo and Hotmail e-mail accounts. A reputable
company does not use such means of advertising their services.
III. Sign-up fee
As a general rule: If a company demands a sign-up fee and similar
payments for granting you the privilege of working for them, then it’s
scam time. I have had a look at the FAQs - and there is not the
slightest guarantee that you will ever earn notable amounts of money
after having signed up with them. Basically, they use many words to
say: ‘You give us money, and after that there is a slight chance but
no whatsoever guarantee that you will earn any money. You can give us
more money, but that won’t change anything except that your account
status will have a more fancy name’. Or, as they say in their FAQ:
“Are payouts guaranteed at Studiotraffic? - We cannot guarantee
earnings…”
IV. Discrepancy between claims and reality
I have found virtually thousands of sites, forum postings and Usenet
postings that enthusiastically praise StudioTraffic - allegedly by
users, but the word choice looks amazingly similar in many cases, down
to identical phrases. Many included magniloquent statements, along the
lines of the “phenomenal growth” of the service. But there are not
many postings of people who have actually earned noteworthy amounts,
although one should assume that the huge number of enthusiastic users
must be proud of their easy money and tell the world how much they
earned. Much advertising disguised as customer opinions, but very few
manifest cases of success - highly suspicious.
My conclusion: Be cautious. StudioTraffic demand money without
» Comment by steve on June 22, 2005 @ 2:22 pmensuring earnings, use questionable ways of advertising, and hide
their identitiy and location behind an anonymizing service. That is
not the behaviour of a respectable company. Even if they are
reputable, their behaviour disqualifies them. I advise against signing
up with them.
Just thought I would put a bug in everyone’s ear about some of these sites that have a ?ref###### at the end of the link. Take a close look at the sites that were shut down due to scams or problematic programs here: http://www.myhyip.com/scam2004.htm
You’ll notice a lot of sites that have the ?ref626030 at the end. Be VERY weary about any site that has that at the end of the link. I just realized that 2 of the sites that I had spend to have this ref #626030. Ironically, if you pay some sort of attention when visiting these sites, you should notice something they all seem to have in common. POOR GRAMMER!!! Not that mine is of Harvard standards, but just lots of common sense mistakes. I’m now going to be praying that I get something back from them when I’m supposed to. Several HYIP sites that I’ve been to have all said the sites were paying. We’ll see. I’ll let you all know if I got taken to the cleaners!
» Comment by Scott on June 23, 2005 @ 4:36 pmWell, it seems that http://www.makeyourinvestment.com has a spend limit impossed on the egold account. Not a good thing. Also, http://www.hyiptreasures.com seems to have folded. When you try to go to the site, you are redirected to the 1800flowers site.
» Comment by Scott on June 24, 2005 @ 9:56 amYou are right about the poor grammer, any site that
is dealing with these kind of funds should have atleast
a proof reader or something.
One site said “look in paypal you fund be tere”
» Comment by steve on June 24, 2005 @ 11:00 amHere’s an e-mail I just received about yet another scam site.
Hello there ! I would like to post something here , about a web doubler that take a $1000 dollar from me and did not double as stated.;;They are still on site and taking money from others ;;’ and I would like to help as much people before they get scam too;;’ there web site is http://destined.to/doublegoldinc so please be alert they might pay on $1 to $50 to draw you in but once you go up to high figure you are out;;;;it been 4days now and they are not answering my email,,,..go figure ??? I would like to know how to shut them down from e-gold account and any other way to get information on them would help thanks.
» Comment by dan on July 5, 2005 @ 10:19 pmHere is one that is hiding:
dutchservice.com
Let me know if anyone of you have dealt
» Comment by steve on July 17, 2005 @ 8:30 amwith them.
Here is their next scam site http://www.qmoney.cc/faq.html
» Comment by john on July 21, 2005 @ 11:15 amI invested $50.00 and the following day I received $75.00 in my
» Comment by Belinda Sandoval on August 1, 2005 @ 5:04 pmpaypal account. I still have the 75.00 and I will probably
invest it all back. The way I see it I made $25.00 on this.
Lets say I do keep on reinvesting what I get from the $75.00
and they take it all once it has made more profit I will only loose $50
that was mine. you can loose this much or more on Work at Home Scams.
sample!!! $75×150%=112.50, $112.50×150%=$168.75,$168.75×150%=$253.13etc.
reinvest 22 times and apparently you end up with $560,937.00.?????
Belinda: Reread all the comments before yours before you invest another dime. Don’t say you weren’t warned.
» Comment by dan on August 1, 2005 @ 5:09 pmGreat info people…
Thanks.
» Comment by Thanks on August 3, 2005 @ 8:50 amI was going to say that they are back, but someone has already posted the info. Stay alert people, they’re at it again.
» Comment by Reg on August 4, 2005 @ 8:29 amafter reading all the comments about the 30min website I thought it sounded VERY familiar to a website that I had just about fallen for. It’s the qmoney.cc/faq/html website. I actually had gotten an egold account and had made an order for a purchase of egold this morning and was probalby hours away from investing. Thank you so much everyone!!!!!I will not be scammed this time. Has anyone had any experience with canceling an egold order. It’s not very large, but I’d just like to cancel it and get on with my life.
» Comment by kendra on August 11, 2005 @ 10:07 amI came across these postings by chance when doing a Google search! Really interesting reading!
» Comment by Helen on August 11, 2005 @ 2:39 pmYou may be interested in a safe reliable investment site. You can only join by private invitation. When you join you are given a $50 bonus which is released when your own investment matches it. You can start with as little as $1. There are various options with your investments. VERY professional! If you’re interested email networking@networking4you.net with “Private Invitation” in the subject line.
Cheers everyone.
Helen
http://www.qmoney.cc should be down soon. E-Gold is getting a daily abuse report and limiting the accounts when they open them.
» Comment by steve on August 29, 2005 @ 6:30 pmAll the companies have been notified of the scam. This is the same thing that was done to get 30min.net shut down. When they try it again post thier url here and they will be shut down again. Unfortunately they steal and get away with it and enjoy the stolen cash and the good honest people have to waste thier time and money over and over again to stop them. It’s a shame.
Well I invested a large amount(to me)$2000 in qmoney.cc before I read this thread. I did recieve the 150% they promised and imediatly (spelling) wired the funds to my bank account. My paypal is currently at a zero balance. So if these funds are reversed will I be responsib